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Well hey, hey there Protonic Reversal devotees. Time for another episode, Steve Albini is back with us after a 106 episode break. Conan and Steve talk about:
-Steve inadvertently ruining the “perfect run” of 9 continuous guests for the 100th episode of Protonic Reversal (not out of malice)
-Winning the World Series of Poker (and why that might not be as impressive as it sounds)
-Why recording records is still satisfying.
-Fluffy coffee shop
-A story of two competing magic shops
-Thoughts on the internet equalizing things for music.
-How this helps those passionate about music as opposed to those passionate about profit.
-The hive mind as a filter.
-The internet as a discovery tool for lost art.
-Nick Drake’s mother.
-Pegboy play South America
-Streaming Services and the next logical progression of decentralization.
-“how do you stop something that doesn’t store anything?”
-Longevity in studios = flexibility
-dislike of meritocracy as a term.
-the value of record stores are the maniacs that work there
-On hating nostalgia the first time
-On the lack of appreciation of nuance and allegory in past compositions
-Specifically: Prayer to God
-Appropriation of past art and public figures for political end
-the mind opening power of punk rock
-You don’t make anything better by assuming your audience is stupid and dumbing down
-Kindred spirits with the devout.
-Making records with people who also record at home or in unorthodox ways.
-Who gets told “no”?
-Fleetwood Mac (and the like) helped create punk rock
-Overdubs and Harmonies, and how they can be life lessons.
-Who would Steve most like to record?
-Rerecording In Color by Cheap Trick
-The End of Radio is the end theme song for Protonic Reversal, the ideas behind the song.
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It’s Jeff Pinkus of Butthole Surfers, Melvins, and Honky! It’s an episode of Protonic Reversal.
What more do you need to know?
Greetings protonic friends, time again for a thrilling new episode of Protonic Reversal. Today is Mr. J.D. Pinkus of Butthole Surfers fame, he also plays in the Mighty Melvins, Honky and has recently released a solo banjo record called: Keep on the Grass. Interview starts at: 14:40
Conan and Jeff talk about the following topics:
-Keep on the Grass, the story behind it and the involvement of Danny Barnes (bad livers)
-different sequences for different formats
-the concept of the full length In general
-the cassette comeback
-Pinkus Abortion Technician
-joining up with Buzz and Dale because of Jared’s impending fatherhood
-picking BHS songs for a Melvin’s set
-Paul Leary songs
-the incredible depth of the Melvin’s catalog.
-different lyrical approaches.
-lots of headphone listening of Chicho music
-live interpretations of Melvin’s songs and arranging the songs for two basses.
-playing with Steven McDonald
-bringing the “creepy old man” vibe to the Melvins.
-playing bass with fingers (a study in contrasts!)
-using a Dark Glass amp from finland
-opening for Sleep with a banjo set
-432 tuning frequency
-playing Rebel Girl by Bikini Kill in Melvins w/Teri Gender Bender
-Daddy Longhead, Skinny Leonard, then Honky
-the double edged sword of Butthole Surfers not listing credits in the records
-Playing with Helios Creed on Activated Condition and the journey of making that into a record.
-half machine lip moves talk
-trash talk about Lenny Kravitz
-On joining the Butthole Surfers and making those classic records.
-drugs and cycles.
-Buzz doesn’t do drugs and probably shouldn’t.
-the Butthole Surfers chapter of “Our Band Could Be Your Life” is total bullshit.
-working with John Paul Jones on Indepdnent Worm saloon and playing banjo on “ballad of naked men” while he plays bass!
-Being a mixture of Steve Martin and Dean Martin.
-banjo as a songwriting tool.
-Hairway to Steven, pictographs haven’t translated well for the iTunes age.
-taping fire ants to cardboard and sending them to Chicago “a Texas Trip”
-cockroach snuff movies with Jem Cohen
-talking with Ian Mackaye about weed expenditures
-Double Live BHS, a self released bootleg.
-is it wrong to be weirded out by the fans of your band?
-The band name Honky, and how that can (and has been) misconstrued. Different times and all.
(stream and download – Episode 125)
Howdy there, friends and well-wishers of the Protonic Reversal, and welcome to another fine program! On this episode, Conan and Josh got to chat with Sam Coomes of Quasi! We talked of so many things:
Interview begins at 10:53
-recording with Jon Spencer
-contrasting music and lyrics
-playing in a two piece, and solo
-being ill-prepared to start a tour
-the timing of switching keyboard patches
-playing with Jandek
-the three B’s: Ballads, blues, and brutal
-not being a session man
-playing favorites and covers in the set
-keeping Quasi fresh and why
-learning how not to resent the popular back catalog
-Hot Shit!/writing political songs during “Shock & Awe”
-keeping honest in songwriting
-musical rapport and confidence
-the role of a producer
-having confidence in your vessel on tour
-being where you were trying to get to
(stream and download – Episode 124)
Josh is out this week. The band WORK returns for a Labor Day weekend tour and Protonic Reversal appearance, their new record Stricly Cruis’n is out and that means it’s time to get loose and talk about such things as:
-Kavi’s move to Austin and his annoyance at traffic and delight at Queso
-Shane Hochstetler and Steven Drozd
-The story behind Strictly Cruis’n and the art by Jason Abele
-ZZ Top and Jazz records
-Where does Taco Bell get their food ideas/The Burger King on Brown Deer Road
-band or fashion label?
-end album “jams”
-Pronunciation is key.
-Joe shaved! To match the pictures of the band closer.
-One of the most memorable shows Jeff has ever seen… at Landmark Lanes, a bowling alley.
A lot of songs are played off of the new record and good times are had.
WORK – Whiskey Whiskey Whiskey
WORK – As It Turns Out, He Didn’t Actually Have Tuberculosis
WORK – Everybody Loves Me Like the Hole in My Head
WORK – (…Somebody Loves Me…)
WORK – Jesus Diapered Our Sins
WORK – Mr Tall Octopus
Shellac – End of Radio (Closing Theme)
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Hola, amigos! Welcome to another sweet sweet episode of Protonic Reversal! I know it’s been a long time since we rapped at ya, but we’ve got a great episode here with the one and only Toshi Kasai! We chatted about tons of stuff, like:
-the California fires
-Working with a wide variety of bands
-Building a relationship with Melvins
-the secrets of Sound of Sirens
-How to prep for recording
-Coaching the vocalist
-Getting kidnapped by Big Business
-Altamont (the band)
-Networking via playing live
-the platinum records in the bathroom
-Analog vs. digital? Who cares
And much more! Or maybe not much more, but many more words in between. Whatever! It’s a really fun conversation, so we encourage you to enjoy it!
Interview begins shortly after the 17 minute mark
Melvins – Decay of Lying
Mud – Moonshine Sally
Tweak Bird – Lights in Lines
Qui – Awkward Human Interest
Hurry up Shotgun – Speedbath Megawaste
Shellac – End of Radio (end theme)
Mike and John from Tar
(stream and download – Episode 122)
Well, well, welcome to another episode of Protonic Reversal! Conan and Josh had fun chats with (separately) Mike and John from Tar! First up was Mike, with whom we discussed such whimsy as:
-A 25 year gap between radio call-in shows
-Getting back into show shape
-Picking songs for the set
-Aiming for Barry White, settling for KC and the Sunshine Band
-Being on Amphetamine Reptile, Touch & Go, Dischord AND Sub Pop
-Tar’s Static and Jawbox’s Static
-Cuddly scene beef with Poster Children
-Sharing a bill with Kyuss
-Fitting in on AmRep
-Various lost arts of record buying and making
-Being on T&G to remain control
-Page Hamiltron trash talk
-The effect of Tom’s arrival on the band’s songwriting
Then we got John on the line, and talked about:
-The disastrous last tour of Tar
-Writing the last album
-Picking songs for the reunion sets (yeah we asked him too)
-Being satisfied with the end of the band and getting back together
-Treating the vocals like any other instrument
-Guitars what are made of metal
Some circuitous topics, yeah? It was a fun conversation, to be sure! Have yerself a listen!
Tar – Barry White
Tar – Land Luck
Tar – G7
Shellac – End of Radio (end theme)
(stream and download – Episode 121)
Globetrotting punk rock documentarian John Yingling, of The World Underground, back in the U.S. for a limited amount of time comes back to Protonic Reversal after a 70 episode, and 3 1/2 year break. We speak of all things documentary, talk about his recent work in Indonesia and future plans for short missives, as well as the next chapter in the World Underground and everything to come. Culture shocks coming back to modern America PK14, All that and a hell of a lot of great music from abroad.
Hiperson – Football Game (Chengdu, China)
Dirty Fingers – School (Shanghai, China)
Lonely Leary – Flaneur (Beijing, China)
Grrrl Gang – Bathroom
hedge hog – Meng Ba La Na Xi(勐巴拉娜西) (Jogja, Indonesia)
(stream and download – Episode 120)
Hello, dear friends, and welcome to another episode of Protonic Reversal! On the day after Jesus’ birthday, we talked to the amazing Jeff Mueller (of June of 44, Shipping News, and Rodan!) and discussed such topics as:
-When your kids see you play
-Relearning via Youtube
-Being a NYC band that draws in Italy
-Packaging as part of the overall art project
-Having and ditching nautical themes
-Meeting social media friends in the real world
-the disappearing DIY aesthetic
-How certain bands don’t get the success they should have
-“Five thirty in the morning happens a lot over there”
-The Shipping News and Jason
-a commonality of experience
-Principal riff writers
-Using the “In the Fishtank” approach on your own records
-Stencilling anything for the merch table
-Distributors hate weird packaging
-The still dire state of record pressing
-Investing the time in finding new music
-Cycles of rediscovery
Interview around 14 minutes in.
(stream and download – Episode 119)
Double the guests, double the fun! As Conan and Josh have on Joe Cardamone of the Icarus Line and Michael Grodner, filmmaker beyond the upcoming (sorta) biopic: The Icarus Line Must Die.
17:05 Michael Grodner
57:10 Joe Cardamone
-The Jim Jarmusch Black and White Aesthteic.
-It’s not a documentary
-darkness following the band.
-relating to creative pursuits
-art vs. commerce, subtly
-Jerry Stahl’s book-on-vinyl
–Dirty Laundry (TV!)
-the Hell of fundraising vs. actually making a movie.
-Starting the film having no idea what was going on
-Dialogue that sounds like one person (aka: Sorkin-speak)
-Gimme Danger the movie: a missed opportunity
-Some Kind of Monster: Best thing ever
-Music’s marketability and it’s inextricable ties to youth culture
-not taking advantage of making a “comeback”
-Eastbound & Down
-Scott Weiland’s death and the last Icarus Line’s last show
-Getting real life in the movie
-Metallica in a Bob Log style
-How to get to the solo record
-“Do whatever you want. No one’s going to hear it, who gives a fuck?”
-Sounding good next to Gucci Mane
(stream and download – Episode 118)
Hello, summer people! It’s time to put away the sweaters and break out the shorts, and while you do all that shuffling about with your damned laundry, you should listen to this great episode of Protonic Reversal! Conan and Josh welcome back to the show Rick Valentin, of Poster Children and Thoughts Detecting Machines! We talked about such things as:
-there’s nothing wrong with writing music of its time
-putting out a record from your basement…again
-DIY and PledgeMusic
-the album as a complete package
-packaging multiple items/bundling
-members of Fugazi actually selling merch
-avant-garde smart-ass humor
-sequencing an album
-rejecting digital perfection and “Keeping in REAL”
-working with Albini after a 25 year gap
-changing songwriting techniques
-a record of songs vs. a “production”
-making a pocket band
-doing all the wrong things at the right time
-fully baking the half baked ideas
-a long digression on TV
-building autonomous community on the internet