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  • Ep161: Chris Spencer (Human Impact, Unsane)

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    Chris Spencer is most known for the brutal, uncompromising and iconoclastic rockers UNSANE. Whose gory and explicit album art was equally as vicious as the music contained within. After 30 years of Unsane he’s teamed up with some friends and collaborators for a much different kind of band, the moody and often slow-burning Human Impact. Chris sits down with Conan to talk about all that during the pandemic. 

  • Ep160: Matt Gentling (Archers of Loaf, Band of Horses)

    Matt Gentling

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    The mighty bass man of the NC indie rock heroes, the Archers of Loaf comes back on Protonic Reversal to have a talk. It’s been what, 5 years? Time flies! How could it have gone long without an appearance from this swell fella? This time it is everything from the first inklings of “Go Loaf”, all the way to the end… and after! A new single and record, and a tour… right during the pandemic. It’s all discussed.
    Oh yeah, he also plays in a band called Band of Horses that you may have heard of, did you know that? We talk about that too.

  • Ep159: Jerry Casale (DEVO)

    Jerry Casale

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    Jerry Casale is a legend. An iconoclast, a prophet and a pioneer who got scalped. As a founding member, and mastermind behind the incredible genre bending band DEVO, Jerry pushed the boundaries of music, music video and mainstream culture.
    In these insane times, it is true. We are ALL DEVO. Jerry Casale sat down for a long form episode of Protonic Reversal.

    (note, while this is a fully formed and fully produced episode there is another episode that began as an addendum and later became it’s own episode. You can find that here.)

  • Ep158: Duane Denison (The Jesus Lizard, Tomahawk, DK3)

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    The one and only Duane Denison of the mighty Jesus Lizard returns to Protonic reversal. What, you need more?

  • Ep157: Andrew “Falco” Falkous (mclusky, Future of the Left, Christian Fitness)

    Andrew “Falco” Falkous

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    The inimitable and unstoppable Andy “Falco” Falkous comes back on Protonic Reversal for another long term episode. Does this qualify him for guest host status? Nobody knows.

    A freewheeler you will want to hold onto your hat for, key discussion points include an *ACTUAL* discussion of the American Left (if not the Future of it.) Covid-19 and Misfits beshirted minor villainy. All things *mclusky, and a little discussion of the last christian fitness record.

    “So… You Are the Ambulance

  • Ep156: Toshi Kasai (Producer, Plan D, Big Business)

    Toshi Kasai

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    Toshi Kasai is back on Protonic Reversal! He has a brand new record/project called PLAN D!

    Plan D: Working with tons of different drummers to make a very cool record.
    -Lieutenant tour (Nate Mendel)
    -Solo sets opening for Melvins
    -Working with a number of different bands/clients
    -Overpreparing/underpreparing for recording.
    -Making a band/artist feel comfortable
    -bands arguing for 10 minutes over a part that is 5 seconds.
    -Tracking at sound of Sirens vs. tracking in other places/studios.
    -Upcoming bands recorded
    -“the wrong end of adventure” with destination recording.
    -“partying” in the studio/recording process

  • Dale Crover

    Ep155: Dale Crover (Melvins)

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    It’s Dale Crover! of the Dale Crover Band, Melvins, Altamont and… well, Conan Neutron & the Secret Friends! He’s been on before, but never in his own episode. And here it is. Awesome. 

    -Quarantine life.
    -Dale Crover Band – Sell Out 
    -The Who – Sell Out
    Being on a split single and being on both sides. (DCB/NeutronFriends)
    -Drum record on JNR
    -Bringing the Dale Crover Band into being an actual band.
    -Altamont
    -Recording with Mark Arm and Steve turner of Mudhoney!
    -Collaborations (Helms Alee!)
    -Sound of Sirens!
    -A sense of adventure in the studio/trying new stuff with Toshi
    -Plan D!
    -Working on others stuff vs. your own
    -Nocturnal Habits record
    -Different kinds of percussion
    -The KISS style solo records
    -Melvins @ Gilman/Covered Wagon (San Francisco Days)
    -Atlantic
    -Lysol / Lice-all (copyright/trademark vs. generic term) 
    -Mark Deutrom/Lori Black
    -Covering Going Blind/KISS and then later playing it live with Gene Simmons. 
    -Playing with KISS and playing with Rush. 
    -Double drums with Coady Willis and playing with Jared Warren
    -Hold it In
    -Mike and the Melvins
    -Reconciling with Kevin Rutmanis
    -P.I.L./Flowers of Romance/Martin Atkins/American Bandstand
    -Setting up the Melvins space for Ministry
    -Steven McDonald in Melvins
    -General quarantine wrap-up, QUARANTIME!

  • Ep154: Jem Ponnusamy (DEAD)

    Jem

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    It’s Jem from the band DEAD, all the way from down under. You may not know the name, you may not know the man… but it’s a great episode with a lot to learn from a true heart who is down in the dirt, doing the work.

  • Ep153: Steven McDonald (Redd Kross, OFF!, Melvins)

    Steven McDonald

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    Steven McDonald has been playing music since he was 12 years old and making records and touring with his brother Jeff as the band Redd Kross the whole time. He’s also played in such bands as OFF!, Melvins, and a live incarnation of Sparks. Redd Kross has a new album out called “Beyond the Door” and Steven and Conan talk about… well, a lot of stuff.

    -Postponed tour
    -Beyond The Door
    -Dale Crover on drums
    -Sparks Covers / “When Do I Get To Sing My Way?”
    -Sparks talk with Conan and Steven.
    -Georgio Moroder
    -There really haven’t been that many Redd Kross records for as long the band has been around.
    -40+ year career/starting in with Redd Kross as a kid!
    -First show with black flag. (Keith and Robo era)
    -Then playing with Keith in OFF! years later.
    -Redd Kross being influence by rock and… well KISS.
    -Neurotica and recording with Tommy Ramone (after learning to play along to the first Ramones record.
    -Influencing GRUNGE
    -Dale Crover interlude
    -“Big Time Records”
    -Major label stuff/the “Alternative era”/manuf
    -Major or minor, anybody can be a dick.
    -Right thing/right time and taking a 10 year break from actively being in a band.
    -Getting out of ruts, overlooking things, liking things as identity (punk rock)
    -Thrift stores over hardcore
    -oh yeah… THE MELVINS
    -Joining the Melvins.
    -Melvins logistics
    -Superhero team logistics
    -The wild world of the Melvins.
    -Bringing the Rock ‘n roll show energy to the Melvins.
    -“Don’t listen to the records!”
    -Melvins fans/trolls
    -Please do not throw things at Steven McDonald.

  • Ep151: Tim Midyett (Silkworm, Mint Mile, Bottomless Pit)

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    Tim Midyett returns to Protonic Reversal, for the first #StayHome edition of the show. Tim comes back with a brand new 2xLP Mint Mile record, as well as new experiences from recording and touring with legends of drone: SUNN 0)))

    -Quarantine life
    -Cancelling shows
    -Playing live vs. not
    -Ambertron!
    -Baroque elements and Showing Ambertron to a younger Tim.
    -Listening to old stuff from way back when.
    -Playing with people more skilled than you are/playing with people better than you.
    -Inspiration.
    -playing with and entering the world of SUNN 0))), a detailed journey!
    -Michael Dahlquist tour diaries.
    -Bottomless Pit revisited.

  • Ep150: Steve Albini (Shellac, Big Black, Rapeman)

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    For the 150th episode, one of our favorite guests is back, the unmistakable and always interesting Mr. Steve Albini.

    -Making ends meet in the age of quarantine.
    -The American Health Care system
    -The slow escalation of risk with a midwest Shellac tour
    -Playing new songs live, 1/3 of the set is unreleased stuff.
    -Live experience vs. vegas stage show (the art of surprise and stage expectations)
    -Billiard Player Song and live evolution of songs
    -Cheap Trick vs. the Ex
    -Do the internal meanings of the songs change.
    -Scrappers
    -Old songs
    -Accountability for song content/flawed thinking
    -Culpability v/ doubling down on dickery.
    -Jokes vs. just being a jerk (comedians)
    -Chappelle
    -Big Black art aesthetic (it was cheaper!)
    -Big Black: Jordan, Minnesota
    -Big Black: Seth (his DOG hated black people…)(race in America and privilege)
    -The Mentors
    -The name of the band Rapeman
    -Rapeman: “I have not been held to account”
    -Blitz tattoos.
    -Dave Riley of Big Black remembered
    -The Girl on the Third Floor soundtrack (with Tim Midget and Helen Money)
    -The End of Radio Peel sessions

  • Ep149: Billy Gould (Faith No More/Talking Book)

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    The one and only Billy Gould finally comes on Protonic Reversal! Billy and his coharts have an awesome new The Talking Book album. A project that evokes eno-like soundscapes as well as 70s film soundtracks. Conan and Billy talk about that, many things Faith No More and… Milk Cult?

    -Talking Book II-70s film soundtracks
    -9 year gap
    -Structured but not structured
    -“It’s not ready until it’s ready”
    -Adding a member to a very subjective and subconscious enterprise
    -Not the same as getting a new band member.
    -Milk Cult!
    -Faith No More going into new directions the audience didn’t necessarily expect
    -Being known as a “rock guy.”
    -Old San Francisco
    -(Men of) Porn
    -Playing in Jello Biafra’s band
    -Faith No More reunion and complex relationships.
    -Songs with problems “We fixed ’em!”
    -Getting the call from Wayne Kramer to play in the MC50
    -The pressure.
    -Playing with Brendan Canty
    -“If you do something, see it though
    -Choose a journey where you don’t care about the destination.
    -The many moods and styles of guitar players of Faith More.
    -FNM as alchemy
    -Slap bass demo tapes
    -touring vs. recording
    -Live shows with Talking Book
    -Kool Arrow: the genre is “good”

  • Ep148: Buzz Osborne (Melvins)

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    Buzz Osborne returns to Protonic Reversal to discuss quarantines, the new acoustic(+) album Gift of Sacrifice, songwriting, gear and lots, lots more.

    -Quarantine Life
    -EP, Acoustic Records and covering Six Pack
    -Trevor Dunn!
    -Limited edition handmade stuff
    -“You don’t HAVE to buy it.”
    -Suiting songs to the player
    -Steven McDonald in the band
    -How people listen to music
    -Vintage vs. useful
    Hilbish Design!
    EGCs
    -Vinyl vs. cds
    -Songwriting and “banking songs”
    -Picking up a guitar to write vs. just to play.
    -“You don’t want the fourth of july at all times.”
    -Letting the lightning strike

  • Ep147: Jonathan Nuñez (Torche)

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    Jonathan Nuñez of the mighty Torche joins Conan for a talk that includes:

    -Nuñez Amplification and pedals
    -The current “golden age” of small scale, handmade gear.
    -Moving from bass go guitar.
    -Parting ways with Andrew
    -Parting ways with Juan
    -The extended family of Miami rockers.
    -The absolutely insane journey of Torche’s post-Russian/Greece Covid-19 tour
    -Covid-19 lifestyle changes
    -Torche “Part Time Punks” sessions
    -Jonathan’s path into recording and playing music.

    And tons more!

  • Ep146: Mark Lanegan (Mark Lanegan Band, Queens of the Stone Age, Gutter Twins, Screaming Trees)

    Mark Lanegan

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    -Doing the video with Travis and Joe (and Donel!)
    -Video with Jimmy the cab driver (reprising that character after years)
    -Making the other video at the Salton Sea with still photographs
    -“Don’t mind the crickets.”
    -The book! “Sing Backwards and Weep” (and companion piece record)
    -Recording the companion piece record to the book and linking the songs to it.
    -“A pandora’s box of shitty memories.”
    -Working with Rob Marshall of Humanist.
    -Making a double record/great double records.
    -Opening for Watt
    -Blues Funeral
    -Meet and greets at the merch table and getting ghost pain from shaking hands.
    -Complicated hand shake non-engagement
    -Older audiences.
    -Picking a setlist with so much material.
    -Ripping off Leonard Cohen
    -Rated R and joining Queens of the Stone Age
    -Gutter Twins with Greg Dulli
    -Playing on each other’s records, vs. working on things together.
    -Meeting Greg Dulli (and initially wanting to kick ass ass)
    -“Secret beef!”
    -Josh Homme in Screaming Trees
    -Walking the streets with Josh Homme, and Josh being misidentified as a cop!
    -The Conner brothers.
    -The story of the Screaming Trees.
    -Publically learning how to make records
    -Different crowds knowing different eras of the music.
    -Artist vs. entertaintainer vs. guy who stands there and sings.
    -Stooges and being in Iggy’s sights

  • Ep145: Creston Spiers (Harvey Milk)

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    It is Creston, of Harvey Milk!

  • Ep144: Kevin Rutmanis (hepa.titus, The Cows, Melvins, Tomahawk)

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    At last! Kevin Rutmanis comes on Protonic Reversal, a delightful conversation with a self-identified genuine musical weirdo that is not heard from NEARLY OFTEN enough! In this episode Conan and Kevin talk about:

    -Covering Night Goat in Hepa.Titus
    -Boutique vinyl, human hands touch almost ever piece!
    -Finding Alice Cooper (who also hated everybody)
    -AM Radio inspiration and enjoyment
    -Da Blues!
    -Not picking up the bass until 28, he was very busy.
    -The Cows, a nasty bunch of creeps that also played music.
    Inspiration by other bands not being great.
    -SLIDE bass!
    -New generations getting into “weird” music and finding music in general.
    -Cape Fear guy.
    -Recording the last “Cows” record and then joining the Melvins.
    -Buzz wanting the Kevin thing.
    -The story of Tomahawk, Kevin’s tale. A contrast in musical approaches. (thanks Buzz!)
    -the story of Hepa.Titus, from early to now.
    -How great is Paul Christensen?
    -The Bass V-I… Kevin R. is NOT a gear guy
    -Electrical Guitar Company necks.

  • Ep143: Mike Watt (Minutemen, fIREHOSE, the Stooges)

    What happens when you get two rock ‘n roll talkers together? Good, good stuff. Sit tight for a momentous protonic with the legendary Mr. Mike Watt. The movement! Minutemen! Stooges! more…
    Mike Watt

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    -Technology! As tool of punk rock/DIY
    -DROOOOOOONE
    -Composing with BASS! (…and leaving room for the others that way)
    -Contemplating the engine room
    -Ballhog or Tugboat?: band as comp tape!
    -Pedro
    -Nautical imagery and Watt’s dad, ships and touring bands
    -Gigs v. flyers
    -Taking turns in punk rock.
    -Bumper stickers/No Littering, etc.
    -Perception is 9/10 of the law.
    -Driving the van
    -Il Sogno del Marinaio
    -taking turns and different roles.
    -Playing stuff that you didn’t write.
    -Plowhard (not blowhard!)
    -The story of Watt joining up with the Stooges. J. Mascis and the Fog, etc.
    -“First you rip of a guy, then you play with him.”
    -The songs end when they end.
    -Little Doll/Pharoah Sanders
    -Uniform music and punk rock.
    -“Steve, BLOW!”
    -Stooges crowd age.
    -Delivering the songs of the Stooges.
    -IGGY!… focus on Iggy.
    -Letting the freak flag fly.
    -Double Nickels on the Dime
    -Keeping it succinct: Ummagumma
    -Zen Arcade v. Double Nickels: friendly arms race/game of chicken
    -wearing the (proverbial) Carmen Miranda hat.
    -Treble v. Bass
    -Recording budgets for Minutemen.
    -Jam econo: way of life, not slogan
    -The Watt from Pedro show.
    -If you want a good crop, use a lot of manure.
    -Why do you do what you do?

  • Ep142: Matt Cronk (Qui, Cunts)

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    First episode of 2020 is up! Matt Cronk of Qui and Cunts speaks to Conan about all things rock!

    -Quite a bit of talk about midwest vs. L.A.
    -Cunts origin story
    -AmRep/Touch and Go style or Hardcore Band?
    -The name, reactions or non-reactions thereof. “If you’re offender by it, it’s probably not for you… and that’s fine”
    -Being in a band that is getting a little bit of attention while being a musician approaching middle age.
    -“While they argue about riffs, I can look at girls on tinder”
    -Qui… and Anything Goes!
    -Genre vs. Emotional Response.
    -Qui on recharge status
    -Covering “Goin’ Out West”
    -Hardcore bands lack of originality.
    -“I just want to listen to Captain Beefheart and REM
    -David Yow joining Qui
    -Qui recording Ashtry Heart with Buzz Osborne, Dale Drover, Trevor Dunn and Kevin Rutmanis
    -Ramones vs. Eric Dolphy: respect to both, different skill sets.

  • Ep141: Donna Diane (Djunah, Beat Drun Juel)

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    Conan talks to Donna about the Djunah full length Ex-Voto. Going over on a song by song basis, as well as the VERY BUSY YEAR that the band has had.
    There is talk of Donna’s previous band Beat Drun Juel as well… and gosh darn it, it’s just a great talk.

    Listen in!

  • Ep140: Greg Saunier (Deerhoof)

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    It’s long overdue! But Greg Saunier of the mighty Deerhoof is finally on Protonic Reversal!

    -Blueberry tea.
    -San Francisco then vs. now and various tech stories.
    -Music scenes where everybody participates
    -Deerhoof finding it’s audience, an audience that likes to be surprised.
    -Corporations consolidating music together.
    -Greg and Conan talk about the early beginnings of Deerhoof.
    -Halfbird
    -Major label sell outs being an anachronism.
    -George Horn and mastering the crazy first Deerhoof 7″ for Kill Rock Stars
    -Satomi joining the band after only being in America a few weeks.
    -Brief forays into politics.
    -The complete lack of “development” in music now, and it’s vitality to Deerhoof becoming it’s thing.
    -tourin’ tourin’ tourin’, at medium sized places around the world.
    -Spotify and the gross insustainability of things that “seem like the future” but benefit everybody but the artist.
    -Underground and independent spaces worldwide!
    -Ed and John.
    -John’s pickup soccer games.
    -Political stances in 2019.

  • Ep137: Bill Barbot (Jawbox, Foxhall Stacks, Burning Airlines)

    Ep136: Bill Barbot (Jawbox, Foxhall Stacks, Burning Airlines)
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    The mighty Bill Barbot! Guitar player for Jawbox, singer and guitar player for Foxhall Stacks, Bassist for Burning Airlines and thorn in the side of Brett Kavanaugh comes on the mighty Protonic Reversal to talk about Jawbox reunion shows, work/life balance, living punk rock vs. just playing it, his new power-pop/glam band’s cassette and so much more. Come on in!

  • Ep136: Brainiac (John, Juan, Tyler)

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    • -Documentaries, keys to the city and being Brainiac in 2019
    • Honoring Tim’s memory
    • revisting material and the perspective of age.
    • Tyler, coming back to playing music and his son “getting” Brainiac.
    • Multigenerational audiences
    • the reunion industrial complex
    • Tim’s dad: “are you going to keep going?”
    • Getting back together for a benefit and reconnecting
    • Familiarty for better or worse.
    • Idiosynchratic music, context and impact
    • Tim Krug (the missing link/understudy)
    • Picking who does what (singing songs, etc.)
    • Subbing for the local legandary hardcore band and destroying the floor in the process.
    • “We’ll Eat Anything.”
    • “oh, that was awful” “That was the best show ever!”
    • Being claimed as an influence and embracing doing something different than what others do.
    • Hostile or baffled audiences?
    • the band playoffs (and WINNING it)
    • The Brainiac – internationale ep with Kim Deal
    • When John joined the band, Bonsai Superstar, etc. 
    • Brainiac as the all boys Brady Bunch.
    • Hissing Prigs
    • Tyler gets new drums, and how they shaped the sound of that record.
    • Recording “nothing ever changes”Recording Electro Shock for President, distortions and learning how to record (usually the wrong way)and bringing that hodge podge to Jim O’Rourke
    • Keyboards, samplers, etc. and bringing that out live.
    • Playing “New/unreleased songs” for the reunion show, songs that might have been on the next (major label?) record.
    • Being a “weird” band and infiltrating mass cultureB
    • Brainiac covers and legacy, overall take on things, and the rights to the back catalog.

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