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  • Ep123: Toshi Kasai (Engineer and Producer: Melvins, Tool, Helmet)

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    Hola, amigos! Welcome to another sweet sweet episode of Protonic Reversal! I know it’s been a long time since we rapped at ya, but we’ve got a great episode here with the one and only Toshi Kasai! We chatted about tons of stuff, like:

    -the California fires
    -Working with a wide variety of bands
    -The JapaNeve
    -Building a relationship with Melvins
    -the secrets of Sound of Sirens
    -How to prep for recording
    -Coaching the vocalist
    -Favorite equipment
    -Recording intricacies
    -Getting kidnapped by Big Business
    -Altamont (the band)
    -Networking via playing live
    -the platinum records in the bathroom
    -Analog vs. digital? Who cares

    And much more! Or maybe not much more, but many more words in between. Whatever! It’s a really fun conversation, so we encourage you to enjoy it!
    Interview begins shortly after the 17 minute mark

    Songs played:
    Melvins – Decay of Lying
    Mud – Moonshine Sally
    Tweak Bird – Lights in Lines
    Qui – Awkward Human Interest
    Hurry up Shotgun – Speedbath Megawaste
    Shellac – End of Radio (end theme)

  • Ep122: Mike Greenlees/John Mohr (Tar)

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    Well, well, welcome to another episode of Protonic Reversal! Conan and Josh had fun chats with (separately) Mike and John from Tar! First up was Mike, with whom we discussed such whimsy as:
    -A 25 year gap between radio call-in shows
    -Getting back into show shape
    -Picking songs for the set
    -Aiming for Barry White, settling for KC and the Sunshine Band
    -Being on Amphetamine Reptile, Touch & Go, Dischord AND Sub Pop
    -Tar’s Static and Jawbox’s Static
    -Cuddly scene beef with Poster Children
    -Sharing a bill with Kyuss
    -Fitting in on AmRep
    -Various lost arts of record buying and making
    -Being on T&G to remain control
    -Page Hamiltron trash talk
    -The effect of Tom’s arrival on the band’s songwriting
    -Henry Owings

    Then we got John on the line, and talked about:

    -The disastrous last tour of Tar
    -Writing the last album
    -Picking songs for the reunion sets (yeah we asked him too)
    -Being satisfied with the end of the band and getting back together
    -Treating the vocals like any other instrument
    -Guitars what are made of metal
    -Henry Owings

    Some circuitous topics, yeah? It was a fun conversation, to be sure! Have yerself a listen!

    Songs played:
    Tar – Barry White
    Tar – Land Luck
    Tar – G7
    Shellac – End of Radio (end theme)

  • Ep121: John Yingling (The World Underground)

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    Globetrotting punk rock documentarian John Yingling, of The World Underground, back in the U.S. for a limited amount of time comes back to Protonic Reversal after a 70 episode, and 3 1/2 year break. We speak of all things documentary, talk about his recent work in Indonesia and future plans for short missives, as well as the next chapter in the World Underground and everything to come. Culture shocks coming back to modern America PK14, All that and a hell of a lot of great music from abroad.

    Songs played:

    Hiperson – Football Game (Chengdu, China)
    Dirty Fingers – School (Shanghai, China)
    Lonely Leary – Flaneur (Beijing, China)
    Grrrl Gang – Bathroom
    hedge hog – Meng Ba La Na Xi​(​勐巴拉娜西) (Jogja, Indonesia)

  • Ep120: Jeff Mueller (June of 44, Shipping News, Rodan)

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    Hello, dear friends, and welcome to another episode of Protonic Reversal! On the day after Jesus’ birthday, we talked to the amazing Jeff Mueller (of June of 44, Shipping News, and Rodan!) and discussed such topics as:

    -When your kids see you play
    -Relearning via Youtube
    -Being a NYC band that draws in Italy
    -Packaging as part of the overall art project
    -Having and ditching nautical themes
    -Meeting social media friends in the real world
    -the disappearing DIY aesthetic
    -How certain bands don’t get the success they should have
    -“Five thirty in the morning happens a lot over there”
    -The Shipping News and Jason
    -a commonality of experience
    -Principal riff writers
    -Using the “In the Fishtank” approach on your own records
    -Stencilling anything for the merch table
    -Distributors hate weird packaging
    -The still dire state of record pressing
    -Investing the time in finding new music
    -Cycles of rediscovery

    Interview around 14 minutes in.…

  • Ep119: Joe Cardamone (the Icarus Line)/Michael Grodner (The Icarus Line Must Die)

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    Double the guests, double the fun! As Conan and Josh have on Joe Cardamone of the Icarus Line and Michael Grodner, filmmaker beyond the upcoming (sorta) biopic: The Icarus Line Must Die.

    17:05 Michael Grodner

    57:10 Joe Cardamone

    Michael Grodner:
    -The Jim Jarmusch Black and White Aesthteic.
    -It’s not a documentary
    -darkness following the band.
    -relating to creative pursuits
    -art vs. commerce, subtly
    -Jerry Stahl’s book-on-vinyl
    -Keith Morris
    Dirty Laundry (TV!)
    -the Hell of fundraising vs. actually making a movie.

    Joe Cardamone
    -Starting the film having no idea what was going on
    -Dialogue that sounds like one person (aka: Sorkin-speak)
    -Gimme Danger the movie: a missed opportunity
    -Some Kind of Monster: Best thing ever
    -Music’s marketability and it’s inextricable ties to youth culture
    -not taking advantage of making a “comeback”
    -Eastbound & Down
    -Scott Weiland’s death and the last Icarus Line’s last show
    -Getting real life in the movie
    -Metallica in a Bob Log style
    -How to get to the solo record
    -“Do whatever you want. No one’s going to hear it, who gives a fuck?”
    -Sounding good next to Gucci Mane…

  • Ep118: Rick Valentin (Poster Children, Thoughts Detecting Machines)

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    Hello, summer people! It’s time to put away the sweaters and break out the shorts, and while you do all that shuffling about with your damned laundry, you should listen to this great episode of Protonic Reversal! Conan and Josh welcome back to the show Rick Valentin, of Poster Children and Thoughts Detecting Machines! We talked about such things as:

    -semi-accidental topicality
    -there’s nothing wrong with writing music of its time
    -putting out a record from your basement…again
    -DIY and PledgeMusic
    -the album as a complete package
    -packaging multiple items/bundling
    -members of Fugazi actually selling merch
    -avant-garde smart-ass humor
    -sequencing an album
    -rejecting digital perfection and “Keeping in REAL”
    -working with Albini after a 25 year gap
    -changing songwriting techniques
    -a record of songs vs. a “production”
    -making a pocket band
    -doing all the wrong things at the right time
    -fully baking the half baked ideas
    -a long digression on TV
    -building autonomous community on the internet…

  • Ep117: Andrew Elstner (Dead Now, Tilts, Torche)

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    Hey hey hey!
    it’s Andrew Elstner of Dead Now, and formerly of Tilts, Torche, Riddle of Steel and more.
    He speaks of leaving Torche, the passing of Ken McCray, moving down south, boutique pedals. Putting on a show. It’s a whole thing.

    Did you know that the original theme song for this show was a Tilts song?
    Yup. He’s also a returning guest. All the way back from Episode 3. Holy moly! that’s 114 episodes ago. OK!…

  • Ep116: Andrew “Falco” Falkous (Future of the Left, christian fitness, mclusky)

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    Well met, all! Welcome once again to the home of the Protonic Reversal! This week’s guest was friend of the show Andrew Falkous! It’s always a blast chatting with Falco, as you can see by the list of topics we touched upon:

    -All the Bongs, Vol. 2
    -the binary of “California” and “Not California”
    -pissing around until something good happens
    -the story of a band vs. the quality
    -the demented husks of humanity, at least they’re having a good time
    -making the music is the most fun part
    -the Cardiff post office
    -Morrissey needs limits
    -”proper music” (said with disdain)
    -the misplaced optimism of the doomed
    -cat updates
    -”Of Wolf and Man”
    -the future kings of Spain
    -Halliburton: Radio Nope’s biggest listener
    -parenthood and living in London
    -the French are very attached to smoking
    -the skill of further alienating a bad audience…

  • Ep115: The Bismarck (Chris Jury, Dan Mohr, Eric Fundingsland)

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    Well, hey, hey! Seattle’s The Bismarck come into the Protonic Reversal studios to crack wise, run schtick and every once in awhile provide some deep epiphanies at being a long running band that is prone to hilarious and heartbreaking disaster.

  • Ep114: Keith Morris (OFF!, Circle Jerks, Black Flag)

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    Howdy, all! Tonight’s special guest on Protonic Reversal is the legendary Keith Morris! Conan and Josh, delightfully, barely get a word in as Keith tells us all about such things as:

    -Keith’s “turn” to write a book
    -The Decline of Western Civilization Part XVIII
    -Picking opening acts
    -James Brown
    -Taking opportunities when presented, or not
    -Jeffrey Lee Pierce
    -Early punk rock scenes
    -Keith Levene
    -the end of the Circle Jerks
    -the beginning of Off!
    -Playing festivals to build a new audience
    -Getting the friends and family discount at the hotel…

  • Ep113: Rose Marshack (Poster Children)

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    Well, hello! Welcome to another fresh eppy of Protonic Reversal! Conan and Josh are thrilled to talk with their guest, Rose Marshack of Poster Children! While Rose attempts to interview them just as much as they interview her, much is discussed. Such as:

    -Meta podcast referencing
    -the origins of Radio Zero
    -the pkids listserv community
    -kids think nickelback is funny
    -the epic story of Li’l Pump
    -Conan’s Milwaukee conversations
    -serious geography discussion
    -driving and biking and efficiency
    -recycling paranoia
    -writing the new record
    -time signatures and drum terminology
    -being an unwilling booker surrogate for Fugazi members
    -aluminati and other basses
    -Gram the Stickman
    -Doing everything in a par
    -enhanced CDs
    -Yoko Ono
    -Josh and Conan: How did you get into punk rock?…

  • Ep112: Body Futures (DJ Hostettler, Dixie Jacobs, Chris Maury)

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    Welcome, once again, to the Home of the Protonic Reversal! Today’s guests are in the studio, even! They’re Body Futures! They’re great! We check out songs from their new record “Maybe It’s Just the Weather,” and chat about:

    -KISS/Infowars crossover lyrics
    -Comic Talk
    -Stone Temple Pilots Talk
    -that sound that Goofy makes
    -efficiency with riffs
    -making the record sound big/gettin’ weird
    -getting way inside baseball on the vocals
    -a decent amount of murder
    -the album title, anxiety and catharsis and indie rock about indie rock
    -Scott Stapp is still ready to fight
    -More Comic Talk
    -technology remnants
    -bands with the same name
    -the best part of being in a band is definitely marketing
    -True crime
    -people in their thirties that haven’t seen Gremlins
    -suggestions for the next movie for Body Futures to write a song about
    -naming movies after unrelated pop songs
    -the African Anteater Ritual
    -Two Robocops?!?
    -the home life of Peter Weller
    -regional groundhogs
    -What’s so wrong with Friend Rock City?
    -people love a schtick
    -Gorilla Goose…

  • Ep111: Dave Catching (Rancho De La Luna, Earthlings?, Eagles of Death Metal, Desert Sessions, Queens of the Stone Age)

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    Once again, it’s time for the Percolator, and Protonic Reversal! Actually, it’s always time for the Percolator, but never mind. This week, Conan and Josh got on the ol’ phone once or twice with Rancho De La Luna’s Dave Catching! The fun, wide-ranging conversation was about, amongst other things:

    -the Joshua Tree scene/weather report
    -Rancho and busy times
    -Desert Sessions
    -the Rancho recording experience
    -Poppy and Harriet’s
    -the Splattering of the Tribes
    -Yawning Man
    -No Trespassing. Seriously.
    -Any band can make great music
    -Arctic Monkeys and Mark Lanegan
    -the Fun Machine
    -More organs than seats
    -Being lucky enough to enjoy playing shows and not losing money
    -Eagles of Death Metal: Always on tour
    -Finding a Flying V in a closet
    -Paris and Le Bataclan
    -U2 doing some really cool shit
    -Touring post-attack
    -New Orleans
    -Seven songs in 25 years
    -Recording Iggy
    -Working a relaxed schedule…

  • Ep110: Marissa Paternoster (Screaming Females)

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    Protonic Reversal welcomes you (and us) to 2018! We kicked off this year with a great guest, Marissa Paternoster of Screaming Females! Conan and Josh had a great conversation with Marissa, and when we weren’t bonding over our love of one Stephen Sowley, we were discussing such topics as:

    -the Bong Cyclone
    -Mistaking Louisville for Michigan
    -Playing the out-of-the-way towns
    -Seeing Skrillex’s emo band in New Brunswick
    -Punk being more than just music
    -Wanting Conan to own up to everything being about Modesto
    -Finding your forever band
    -Curating your own media intake
    -Playing leads, not talking shreds
    -Ted Leo
    -Shirley Manson singing “Jigsaw Feeling”
    -Sowley in a suit
    -Making a live album
    -Touring having not changed so much
    -Lance Bangs and Bad Grandpa
    -Jersey Pride…

  • Ep109: Top 10 Albums of 2017

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    1. Oxbow – Thin Black Duke
    2. Lardo – Sinking
    3. christian fitness – slap Bass Hunks
    4. Mountain Goats – Goths.
    5. SEMINARS – Pricks Die Young
    6. Magpies – Annex
    7. Crystal Fairy – s/t
    8. Dead Rider – Crew Licks
    9. Out – Swim Buddiess
    10. Fever Ray – Plunge

    1. Palm – Shadow Expert ep
    2. Power Trip – Nightmare Logic
    3. Maximum Busy Muscle – s/t
    4. Bon Air – the Blue Line
    5. Fox Face – Spoil + Destroy
    6. Radioactivity – infected/Sleep
    7. Julie Byrne – Not Even Happiness
    8. Vince Staples – Big Fish Theory
    9. God Eaters – Xuma
    10. Arto Lindsay – Cuidado Madame

    all numbering relatively arbitrary

    Josh #10: arto lindsay – ilha dos prazeres
    Arto Lindsey
    Josh: Danger Lady, this is fantastic, very much in the vein of what his recent solo career has been like. It’s this very odd combination of the Brazilian music he’s been playing for a number of years, but he’s still doing weird atonal guitar and he’s singing more melodically but it still sounds like Arto Lindsey. So there’s definitely an experimental edge to it… he played in Chicago… a few months ago with the Beauty Pill and it was just incredible.

    Conan: Oh, I thought you meant he played in the BAND Chicago. I was like: where’s that record?

    Josh I’d pay good money for that.

    Conan “huh, they took an unexpected left turn on that one!”

    It was an amazing show and this is a relaxing and romantic kind of record, which you wouldn’t necessarily expect.

    Conan #10: Fever Ray – This Country
    Conan: Number 10 for me is a band called Fever Ray, which is 1/2 of the Knife. This is the second Fever Record, I really love the first one it’s a weird, moody, messed up record. I dig it a lot, I dig this one as well, it’s kind of more of the same. I know some people that listen are super not down with Electro stuff or anything remotely that isn’t guitar bass and brash drums and stuff.

    Josh: Geez, they are going to hate a lot of my countdown.

    Conan: But I think everything that she does is wildly innovative and interesting. We talked a little bit during the break about that last the Knife record. It’s a harsh listen, but it’s awesome and I love that for a band that became so popular off of what was a very simple electro-poppy song with universal appeal, they just say: “ok, that’s done, we’re doing this now!”. I feel to a lesser degree perhaps, the same stuff happens with the Fever Ray material. I like that her viewpoints are LITERALLY written on her face for this record.

    Fever Ray – This Country

    Josh #9 god eaters – Signs of the Times
    Josh: number 9 is a band we’ve discussed previously, as we’ve definitely played with them, seen them recently and they played Conan’s 40 birthday Party, the God Eaters.
    Conan: To be perfectly clear, they would be on this list even if it was not for all of that friendship and cross pollination.
    Josh: Oh yes, the friend rock, the only reason there are so many friends on this list is that that is what I listen to. That doesn’t have any affect on how amazing they are, and how much you should check them out.
    Conan: Yes, this record kicks ass, this would definitely be on my list as well… I guess it would be a conflict of interest, because they play with *ME* as well. But I love it too.
    Josh: Oh, don’t doubt that next year when we do this the Body Futures record will probably be on mine.
    Conan: Right, so the God Eaters, it’s your pick… but one of the things I like about them is that they are a difficult band to describe. In mood and feel they remind me of the Minutemen, without sounding that much like the Minutemen.
    Josh: Yes, and we were talking about this just recently so if you do listen to the show on a regular basis you will have heard something that sounds just like this. It’s how their sound is psychadelic in that it becomes enveloping, and there is some of that with the Minutemen as well. That there is so much going on with so few elements, but there is a lot happening within it. I feel like they echo some of that. Although they sound nothing like the Minutemen at all. It’s the precepts.
    Conan: It’s a hell of a record, I’m sure they’ve already outdone it at this point. This is Zuuuma… that’s how you pronounce it right?
    Josh: I would think so.
    Conan: Hopefully it’s not exzema. Maybe it’s excema?
    Josh: maybe, but the song we’re going to listen to is called Signs of the times.

    Conan #9
    Out – Wound Up.
    Conan: This is a record, I feel was very popular amongst our circles, but needs to be heard by more people. It’s most of the band Minutes, but they should be given due difference on their own. It’s the band OUT, or OOT of you are Canadian.
    This is off a record called Swim Buddies, because I guess hanging out and going to the pool or the river or something is at thing people like to do right?
    Josh: Sure! They seem to like doing it.
    Conan: Yeah! They like it.
    Josh: But yeah, they discussed a little bit of our lists beforehand and…
    Conan: NO DUPES!!! NO DUPES!!!
    Josh: Exactly, we’re trying to get as many different songs out to you as possible, but they certainly would have been on my list. They are a fantastic band, they have a TRIUMPH.
    Conan: Yes, they have a triumphant aspect to what they do… it comes from the fugazi/hoover-esque DC world, but there is definitely an element of what they do that… especially when they are all singing together… excuse me… SANGING.
    Josh: Sanging! Sanging those unison vocals.
    Conan: It’s a good record man, all the songs are pretty rock solid and there are some fist pumpers. This is put out by former guest of the show Jon Solomon.
    Josh: friend of the show!
    Conan: others have said it more eloquently myself, but to reiterate, this would have been on both of our lists if not for the NO DUPES rule.

    Josh #8 Vince Staples – Homage
    Josh: Number 8! I am still woefully underinformed when it comes to modern hip hop. I try my best to keep up with it, i’ve got some friends that try to keep me up with it. This is one that really stuck with me. Vince Staples, big fish theory. Just has a real fresh, awesome, noisy, weird fun sound. He has great flow. his lyrics are fantastic, there’s a real unique thing going on here. I listen to this one a lot.

    Conan #8 Dead Rider – The Listing
    Conan: my number 8 is from a little band from Chicago called Dead Rider. This is yet another in a series of records that… A good friend of mine once said: “I don’t know how music like this is made by humans.” i’m inclined to agree.
    Josh: I feel that way about a lot of Dead Rider stuff, yeah.
    Conan: It’s disconcerting, immediately familiar, but yet suddenly bizarre, everything about this band is just bad ass. This record managed to sneak through without me knowing about it. And suddenly i’m like: I’m in! I’m buying it immediately. Then I just listened to it on bandcamp and didn’t and decided that I really did need to buy it. It’s great, there are a lot of different moods to Dead Rider. It was hard to pick a song, but I picked this one specifically because the last movement has an auction announcer in it.
    Josh: they call it an Auctioneer.”
    Conan: yeah, yeah… Auctioneer. Thanks, Josh.
    Radically unique and interesting band, super awesome… this is the listing!

    josh #7 Julie Byrne – i Live Now As A Singer
    Josh: My number 7, the album is called “Not Even Happiness” and the artist is Julie Byrne. This is a really wonderful, very mellow, beautiful… not really singer-songwriter thing, it’s there but there are interesting textures going on. The songs are so good, and her voice is so wonderful. I think Acme records had it as their record of the day when it came out, an instagram or a facebook post or something…
    Conan: shout out to Acme records!
    Josh: What Up Acme Records? Clicked on it on a whim, looked it up on bandcamp… and it’s just great late night listening.

    Conan #7: Crystal Fairy – Crystal Fairy
    This is a record, I think a lot of people forgot about. The Crystal Fairy record came out really early in the year. This is the collaboration between Buzz and Dale of the Melvins and former guest of the show Teri of Le Butcherettes… oh, and Omar from at the drive in, Mars Volta, and all that.
    Josh: oh, sure why not!
    Conan: It’s bad ass! To a certain degree it kind of sounds like a Melvins album with Teri singing. I’m totally ok with that. She’s one of my favorite front people period, former quest of the show. This is pretty much a product for me.
    Josh: test marketed directly for Conan Neutron
    Conan: I was trying to think of there was a way to make this more for me?
    Swap out Omar for David William Sims or something?
    Josh: Guest appearance by Malcolm Young?
    Conan: Yeah! he managed to sneak in a guest appearance before he died. Anyway, this is Crystal Fairy… off of the album Crystal Fairy, with the song Crystal Fairy.

    Josh # 6 Radioactivity – Infected
    Josh: this is a 7″, not a full length. This is more indicative of the fact that I got into Radioactivity this year. They’ve been around a couple of years. Kind of an offshoot of the Marked Men
    Conan: Oh yeah, ok!
    Jiosh: so there were two big offshoots I got into… Mind Spiders last year, and this year I was DJing Tony Weber’s art opening at the Black Bird. Tony Weber who is in Heavy Hand
    Conan: Who put out a great record this year too!
    Josh: he was doing an art opening at the BlackBird and I was DJing and he came by with some records, after putting all his art up, he joined me for some records and one of the ones he played was off the last album and I was like: “What the fuck is this? It’s tightly wound… not really garage rock, got some of that vibe but too well produced. Tight and dry, and fast. It feels like everybody is playing their instruments at the fastest possible tempo all at once. It’s very well united and the songs are catchy as fuck.

    Conan #6 Magpies – Next Three Exits
    Conan: Next song for me is former guest of the show, very RECENT guest of the show. Hank Donovan’s band Magpies…
    Josh: very recent indeeed.
    Conan: Not as recent as the last guest, but very recent indeed. Great record! So this is Magpies from Missoula Montana, I think a lot of people slept on this. In fact, I *KNOW* a lot of people slept on this.This scratches the itch of people pining for the more rock based Sonic Youth stuff. That just likes cool, weird guitar rock. Co-ed vocals. Everybody killing it. I like the rest of their stuff, I like everything they’ve done. I think this is the best thing they’ve done.
    I think it’s a really great record. That’s my story and i’m sticking to it.
    Josh: and that’s the WAY it is…

    Josh #5 Fox Face – Toxic
    Josh: speaking of recent guests of the show, my number 5 is spoil and destroy from fox face.
    Conan: awesome record, picked up the vinyl copy of that recently.
    Josh: Super great record.turned out fantastic…
    Conan: I wish we could have played more of it on the show when we had them on!
    Josh: But now is your opportunity to play a little more.
    I mean, you heard a couple songs from it that night if you go back to that episode it’s still there.
    but I wanted to play their cover of Britney Spears: Toxic
    Conan: oh yeah! it’s pretty bad ass.
    Josh: I love it, I love how it’s still obviously that song, but they transform it and make it theirs. It’s a transformative cover.
    Conan: first time I heard it, I was like: “what is this? I feel like I know this? OH! It’s Toxic.”
    Josh: I think I told this story in the episode, but i’ll tell it again… first time I heard them play it was at a PRF in Chicago and Lindsay says: “I hope you guys likes Britney Spears”, and everybody chuckles they look at each other like: “Why are they laughing? This is serious.” And then they played this amazing song.

    Conan #5 SEMINARS – Gaslight / Blacklist
    Conan: Alright, we’re only halfway through… calm down
    #5 is alive, baby!
    He’s got laser lips
    Laser lips?
    That’s his insult to the other robot. Your Mother, Laser lips!
    Oh man, i haven’t seen short circuit in awhile.
    You know the Indian dude in short circuit isn’t Indian?

    Josh: oh yeah, he apparently took that role and did a lot of research to get the accent right. Apparently he put everything into it…
    Conan: You could also just hire an Indian dude. I mean that’s probably what I would do, but if you want to do it the hardest way possible and insult an entire culture.
    ANYWAY, speaking of insulting!

    This is SEMINARS – Pricks die young. Let’s get something straight here people. this is a kick ass rock and roll record, this is mean and hard. If you are into riffs, things that are powerful and immediate and in your face. Songs that get in and get the fuck out. This is your record. This is another one I feel like people should be more hyped on.
    Come on people.
    This is James from Police Teeth, it doesn’t have any of the Police Teeth pop hooks or anything, but it’s got all those Police Teeth riffs though. SEMINARS has grown into it’s own band, and this is their best record.
    It kicks ass, and i’m very pleased to have it on my #5 pick for 2017 play this loud, go break some parking meters and put a brick through a bank window

    Josh #4: Bon Air – the Blue Line
    Josh: …and here’s another record you should get right now
    Conan: number four, you shall adore.
    Josh: you should go get all these records right now, spend $10 each on bandcamp i’m sure you can find them all there. Well most of them anyway.
    Conan: Click through our buy link to…. no, we don’t have that.
    I don’t give a shit about that.
    #4 is Bon Air: the blue line.
    Bon Air!
    It’s a hell of a record, it’s good wistful power-pop that rocks harder than that.
    Conan: A little Sugar in there… both the sweetener and the band.
    Sam does a very interesting thing where he splits his guitar into a bass, he has a splitter and it’s a whole thing where it’s a two piece and it has a bigger sound than that.
    You don’t have to know any of that stuff to listen to this by the way.
    Josh: It’s true, i’m trying to think of things to talk about. Besides: “This band is real good, I like ’em!”
    Conan: It’s real good, I listen to it, you should listen to it, it’s real good.
    Josh: I really do love them, the songs are so fantastic and i’m going with the title track. I bring up the power-pop again because a lot of it was home recorded and it sounds fantastic, but this and another song were recorded at Ardent studios, home of Big Star.
    Conan: oh yeah! Of course.
    Josh: and on this track, Sam actually played Chris Bell’s guitar.
    Conan: Well, fuckin’ A.
    Josh: and this song is so wonderful… it’s called the Blue Line

    Conan #4: Mountain Goats – Shelved

    Conan: number 4 for me is a record by a band I dearly love, who quite frankly haven’t put out a record I dearly love in awhile.
    Josh: REALLY!?
    Conan: Yeah.
    Josh: REALLY, that’s interesting.
    Conan: This is the Mountain Goats The last record I really loved by them were All Eternal’s Deck, which I thought was fantastic. I thought the last couple were fine, it’s ok.
    Josh: I dearly loved Beat the Champ. I thought that was a top 5 record for them.
    Conan: It’s got some tunes, there’s a little light jazz aspect to it I wasn’t loving so much. liked the show, loved some of the songs. but the latest record… GOTHS.
    Josh: GOTHS!
    Conan: top to bottom bad ass, and also kind of different somehow then anything they’ve done before but also very indicative of what they do.
    Josh: Well, there’s no guitars right.
    Conan: Yeah, and it’s very much a celebration not just of goth culture, but chosen family subcultures in general.
    Josh: Which is not something he hasn’t written about before.
    Conan: Yes, but it’s a slightly different way. It’s really cool. This song has a part that straight up sounds like New Order and I never would have expected it from a Mountain Goats record. And i’m totally into it, I think this is something where if you are a casual Mountain Goats record it might be time to check in with this record. I think it’s bad ass and one of John Darnielle’s best and I say that as not a fan of the last couple records.
    Josh: Disagree hard!
    Conan: Hey, I love the artist. I don’t know what to tell you.
    that’s one of the nice things about the Mountain Goats.
    I still love the Mountain Goats
    There are records of his that other people are particularly huge on that i’m like: “that’s ok. it’s fine” but he’s always a good songwriter and he’s doing different things. If you are inclined to him at all, there’s a Mountain Goats record for you out there and this might be it.
    Conan: I think this might be… so this is Shelved, my favorite song off of the Mountain Goats record called: GOTHS.

    Conan: that is the Mountain Goats with shelved off of GAWTHS, which is my number 4 slot… some pronunciation right
    Josh: that’s what they call them out here.
    Conan: Got some gawths going down to the bat cave
    Josh: Oh ya! The basement is just fulla gawths, oh boy.
    Conan: Oh you got Goths, you gotta spray for that.
    Josh: aw jeez.

    Conan: You gotta fumigate!
    John Darneielle, Come on the show.
    Josh: Please, yes, alright… I was going to say that I promise we won’t be this punch drunk but.
    Conan: I promise nothing.
    Josh: Right.

    Josh #3: Maximum Busy Muscle – Failure
    Josh: We’re up to my number 3, it’s Maximum Busy Muscle.
    Conan: MAximum… BIZZEEE… Mus-CLE.
    Josh: from Athens, GA… we got to see them at a number of PRF events, one of their drummers is Erika of Motherfucker
    Conan: conflict of interest of alert. Also: former guest of the show!
    Josh: But she’s a later addition to the band, they started as a TWO piece. Just guitar and the drums with Mary, and just evolved into this wonderful four headed thing.
    It’s kind of funny, the Motherfucker press line is “fist in the air rock”, this is a total headbanger. Some of these songs… especially this song we’re going to play Failure. Is the protoypical song on the record for me… immediately your head is banging… I’ve got short hair and i’m still doing it!

    Conan: “I can’t even headbang properly and i’m still doing it so hard right now!”
    Josh: But then there is so much more beyond that there’s so much to listen to with the way the drummers interact, how they interact with Adam on bass. All kinds of crazy shit, so it’s heavy and fun. If you took all the ponderous stuff out of early Don Cab. It just rips! it’s a ripper.
    I love this record, i’m so glad that it finally got done and I got a hold of it, and you can get a hold of it too on the bandcamps.

    Conan: A lot of what they do kind of reminds me of some of the stuff that Big Business does. In a good way, where it’s a heavy groove but something anchors it and it goes around a thing or idea. I can’t believ eI didn’t pick up this record, I was literally in the room when they got them and I just gapped on it. Cool story.

    Josh: Cool story, buddy. Well, I suggest you join the rest of the people and pick up this record. This song is called failure.

    Conan: alriiiight, that’s failure off of Maximum Busy Muscle
    Josh: It’s a rocker
    Conan: Right, if you are into that kind of thing, i’m not… i’m more of a light jazz dude.
    Josh: yeah, I bet you are. Is that your next pick.
    Conan: Here’s some light jazz everybody!

    Conan #3: christian fitness – Bruce Hated Puppies

    Conan: I think there’s been a christian fitness record on every best of since I started doing them, I think… i’ll probably get a correction soon. Motherfucker puts out a lot of records, and they are all great! It’s Andrew Falkous, aka: Falco of Future of the Left and mclusky. He’s appeared on the show so many times, I’ve LITERALLY lost count. One of my favorite human beings and artists. This is off the record: Slap Bass Hunks.
    Josh: How great is that? How great is that?
    It’s pretty wonderful. I feel like if you know mclusky and Future of the left, you know what you’re getting into with christian fitness, but I mean that in a good way. It’s like a pleasant surprise, like being given a cupcake.
    Josh: yeah!
    Conan: Except the cupcake is incredibly sardonic and shouting.
    Josh: that’s cool, i’m still going to eat it.
    Conan: “I’m still going to eat you!”
    This is a strange analogy.
    Josh: In a weird way, but it’s still good
    I feel like Flco would probably appreciate it.
    Anyway, this is the song on Slap Bass Hunks that is the biggest earworm for me. This is one I invite you to listen to, get on bandcamp…
    Josh: Bandcamp is great.
    Conan: We love bandcamp.
    This is Bruce hated Puppies, off Slap Bass Hunks by Christian Fitness.

    Those songs get in… get out… and do exactly what they are supposed to do. As Tony Ash said to me: “What a weird chorus! I love it, but what a weird chorus!”
    And he’s NOT WRONG.
    Josh: He’s not wrong!

    Josh #2: power trip – if not us then who

    Conan: what you got next for us? We’re down to the NUMBER TWO RECORD OF 2017!
    Josh: as much as that matters… it’s definitely on my top 10 list and whatever.
    Conan: People love arbitrary designations, we’ve established this.
    Josh: I can’t get used to it! …

  • Ep108: Darren Jackson (Kid Dakota)

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    12/14 Darren Jackson

    Hello, friends, and thank you for joining Conan and Josh for another episode of Protonic Reversal! Today’s guest is Darren Jackson of Kid Dakota, whose album So Pretty is about to get its first vinyl issue. We discuss that, and:
    -the So Pretty cover art
    -a Low connection
    -Shifting production ideas
    -Spy mission band recruitment
    -Precise music
    -Lack of overdub ideas
    -Selling the story instead of the music
    -How the image fills in the vacuum
    -Post-tragic euphoria
    -Assessing the Kid Dakota discography
    -The lasting popularity of a landmark early record
    -Leaving room in the song for the listener
    -Recording the new album
    -and the next one upcoming!
    -When your best album doesn’t catch on
    -Getting burned out, recharging and focusing
    -Craft pedals
    -An unexpected soundtrack opportunity
    -Vietnamese bootleg website…

  • Ep107: Hank Donovan (Magpies, Rattlesnake Cable Company)

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    12/7 Hank Donovan

    Hey, everybody! Welcome to another episode of Protonic Reversal! Today’s guest on the phone with Conan and Josh is Hank Donovan, of Magpies and Rattlesnake cables. Our discussion includes such topics as:

    -New drummer!
    -Finding musicians in a small city
    -a college-dependent scene
    -Montana DIY
    -Scene commitment
    -Meal math
    -Gear discovery problems
    -Joining a three piece in progress
    -Guitar influences
    -Being a listener vs. listening as a musician
    -Unintentionally starting a cable company
    -Making cables cool, making something that lasts
    -the Rattlesnake brand
    -Not trying to hang out
    -Tim Midyett’s Travis Bean baritone
    -Hank’s Bean journey
    -Schwinn Freestyle…

  • Ep106: Keith Brammer (Die Kreuzen)

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    Hail hail! Welcome to the Home of the Protonic Reversal. Today’s episode features another great in-studio guest (man, we’ve been lucky with these!) Keith Brammer, from Die Kreuzen, Wreck, Crime and Judy, et cetera! This wide ranging conversation touches upon such topics as:

    -The weird novelty of listening to one’s own music
    -Production quality and choices (You can do anything, and THAT’S what you want?)
    -Punk as an encompassing thing vs. an ossified set of rules
    -Bands whose sound indicated their record collection
    -Solidifying songs in practice vs. at shows
    -“I guess I can do that one and not feel physically ill.”
    -Starting with no preconcieved notion of the “rules”
    -Working at the top of your skill level, whatever it might be
    -“A wide swath of nonsense and garbage” back then, just like now
    -Touring and booking shows is definitely better with cell phones
    -Lee Ving is the nicest
    -The incredibly bad logic of throwing a shoe at a band
    -Recognizing the opportunity for a situation that will make a great story
    -Telling the Rick Nielsen story again (deal with it)
    -“Gone Away” as the most realized DK song
    -Daydream Nation doesn’t entirely lend itself to being played live
    -The celebrated utility of a dry erase board in the practice space
    -Doing useless demos for Mechanic Records
    -Wasting the money of major labels
    -Wreck, and the Carnival Strippers
    -Picking a movie for your song to be in: PCU vs. Speed
    -Cover choices
    -All roads lead to D.O.A.
    -Discovering bands way later than everyone else
    -Picking bands to open the reunion shows, and doing the reunion shows in general
    -Tom Hazlemeyer’s Bash
    -Creating something that didn’t exist
    -How just being able to fuck with people’s heads is extremely rewarding…

  • Ep105: Tim Midyett (Silkworm, Bottomless Pit, Mint Mile)

    Tim Midyett - Silkworm

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    Good hello, and welcome to another episode of Protonic Reversal! Today’s EXTENDED episode features our in-studio guest, Tim Midyett (of Mint Mile, Bottomless Pit, Silkworm etc.) Our wide-ranging discussion features topics like:

    -the Gerry Todd Show
    -The Dancing Imperative
    -12-string baritone guitars
    -baritones: not guitars, not basses
    -Tablecloth lint
    -not actually sounding like Pavement or much of anything else
    -100% vibe
    -a band in a room, playing together at the same time
    -the combination of people can be more than the sum of the parts
    -solo vs. band
    -Tim’s Electric Banjo Jamboree
    -the incidental concept record: Firewater
    -dealing with bullshit in various ways
    -Missoula, MT
    -Matador Records
    -delineating between projects
    -Justin the excellent pedal steel player
    -Not interfering with what the band brings to the songs
    -getting pickier
    -taking all the most rocking songs off the album
    -Steve Albini’s instincts are the opposite of commercial
    -Modesto is terrible
    -coming from the big city with real amps
    -it’s better to be able to find your community with the internet than it was before, pretty much
    -Seattle in 1991
    -no offense to Cat Butt
    -the touring years
    -easing back on touring to keep the band alive
    -The Bottomless Pit of Partying
    -learning bass via post-punk
    -abstract album cover design indicating the contents
    -New Order dealing with being of Joy Division
    -putting the off topic song on the EP that’s otherwise all about fucking
    -the three good clubs in the world
    -breaking up the band
    -changing strings
    -how Andy fixed Doug Martsch’s guitar
    -Midyett Rub and Tim’s turkey tips
    -the multiple Silkworm tribute bands and the amazing skills of Chris, Chris and Evan
    -if no one cared when you started, no one will care if you don’t stop
    -a weird sloppy mix of Neil Young and speed metal
    -”Man, that’s great, good for me.”…

  • Ep104: Nick Skrobisz (Multicult)

    Ep104: Nick Skrobisz - Multicult

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    (stream and download – Episode 104)Weeeeeeeeeelllllllllllll howdy, folks! It’s time for another groovy installment of Protonic Reversal! In today’s episode, Conan and Josh chat with Nick Skrobisz of the kickass Baltimore band Multicult. Topics include, but are not limited to:

    -Baltimore scene report
    -the Oakland van break-in
    -Katamari Damacy-ing the equipment (a step up from Tetris-ing)
    -Gear as a filler subject
    -the elegance of early Danzig
    -Good band names
    -Indicative artwork
    -Music that doesn’t cater to the audience
    -Getting one over on the world
    -Delivering a series of feelings
    -No, really, Baltimore scene report
    -DC’s proximity effect
    -If ya get hungry…
    -Tour advice/booking plot

  • Ep103: WORK (Joe Cannon, Jeff Brueggeman, Kavi Laud)

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    It’s time for episode 103 of Protonic Reversal! For the second week in a row, we’ve got in-studio guests: the fantastic Milwaukee band WORK. Conan and Josh encourage much nerdy discussion, along the lines of:

    -Numerous and endless band name puns
    -Australian GPS voices
    -Colin Hay
    -Sideshows and local Oakland references
    -Guitar rippers like Devo and St. Vincent
    -Not having any idea how the band will deal with being in two different cities
    -“If we don’t rule, Jeff just starts punching us until we start ruling”
    -“Chisel: Because the Jam broke up”
    -Mean and vicious pop
    -Keeping the record contiguous
    -The album tracks on Thriller
    -Trying to use the least time to record their comp song
    -Joe Lally
    -“How come we don’t have Thursday Thursdays?”
    -Tangin’ the hump
    -Joe’s superpower: Temporarily Benjamin Franklin
    -Domain names
    -Electric Abacus: “Pretty proggy, very formulaic and repetitive”
    -Hassling a song until the most irritating bass line possible brings it together
    -Working it out during smoke and/or shit breaks
    -Evaluating Paul McCartney’s collaborations
    -Quitting the Moody Blues in 1968
    -Confusing Michael Jackson videos
    -The various mixes of Raw Power
    -The Bob James-esque solo records of Max Rebo
    -Running into George Lucas at Starbucks
    -Obsolete format chat
    -What to expect from the new WORK record
    -Eating Popeye’s and watching Popeye
    -All of us admitting we don’t know enough about Milwaukee’s excellent hip hop scene
    -Playing at Bounce right after the wedding ceremony
    -Chicken-greasing the lens
    -Hating stuff that sounds like stuff
    -Audiences love psychedelic freak-outs sometimes
    -Tracking the size of a city via pedal steel players
    Available to franchise”
    -Mittster Mittster
    -Strictly fancy
    -Josh is revealed to be a character played by Michael Winslow
    -Method Snacking
    -Lots of T. Rex discussion
    -Heading out on a cuddly note
    -Smash that F5, keep it refreshed…

  • Ep101: Fox Face (Mary Joy, Lindsay DeGroot, Lydia Chioda, Chopper Chioda)

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    t’s time for a FREEWHEELING episode of Protonic Reversal! Conan and Josh have guests live in the studio: the most excellent Milwaukee band Fox Face! Hear such seemingly endless digressions such as:

    -Josh’s mic antics
    -Fox Face meets Dirtnap
    -Rock ‘n’ roll maternity leave
    -Conan’s most relaxing episode ever
    -Banana and the Handplant
    -the garage rock scene…?
    -Magick? Like from the X-Men?
    -Lindsey watching the Craft a bunch
    -Always dicking on purpose
    -Following a songwriting path
    -Is Britney Spears listening right now?
    -The long history of Fox Face and its members
    -The (not really) fairweather drummer
    -Heterogeneity within genres and being classed as a “girl band”
    -Fox Face’s shock at having a web site
    -Tour talk
    -Writing lyrics in a Trump world
    -Mary’s two-drink stage banter
    -Favorite bands in the world scene
    -The Mundane Epiphany
    -Tectonics talk
    -Fantasy show lineups, but achievable
    -Operation: Mind Spiders
    -The thing you play in the van that everyone else hates
    -An extended discussion of Christian rock
    -Conan digs deep to identify the annoying Aerosmith songs
    -Kyle Motor’s cute cat
    -The asset of a sympathetic engineer
    -Being a parent and continuing to be creative

    This episode is very silly, but it’s very fun, and Fox Face is one of our very favorites. Enjoy!

    Fox Face – Clever Girl
    Fox Face – Nasty Woman
    Fox Face – Hiawatha
    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep101: Lindsey Charles (The Cell Phones)

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    It’s Episode #101 of Protonic Reversal! Your hosts, Conan and Josh, are in a sour mood, due to living in the world. But never fear, a phone call with Lindsey Charles of the Cell Phones cures what ails them! After some discussion about Refused (overrated? Or rated just right?) and the fascinating concept of changing a band’s structure by adding in another ill-fitting member out of rock history.

    Topics in this interview include:

    -Lindsey’s talented brother
    -The curse of buying more than you intended during any Target visit
    -Everyone loving the Cell Phones’ “West Coast”
    -People connecting differently to the same song
    -Why don’t we discuss pregnancy?
    -Wielding emotions like a weapon
    -Playing for unexpecting crowds
    -The puzzle of songwriting
    -Selling the album title
    -Impressing one’s dad
    -53% (Overrun)
    -It’s not a joke, sometimes
    -the Kool Aid Man full of period blood
    -Mismatched bookings
    -Well-matched bookings
    -Encounters with Lesley Gore
    -The outlet of performance

    By the end of the episode, Conan and Josh are on Cloud Nine. We think you will be, too!c

    The Cell Phones – West Coast
    The Cell Phones – You Make Me Say No
    The Cell Phones – 53% (Overrun)
    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep100: Chris Frey! Christian Lembach! Sohrab Habibion! Josh Newton! Dale Crover! Tom Hazelmyer! Andrew “Falco” Falkous! Rick Valentin! (not) Steve Albini!

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    Oh, shit, it’s the hundredth episode of PROTONIC REVERSAL! Thrill as Conan, Josh, and special in-studio guest Jeff Moody wrangle GUEST AFTER GUEST for two and a half hours! Get ready to hear such scintillations as:

    -Chris Frey on navigating medical crises on a European tour!
    -Christian Lembach on stage rocking with a bum knee!
    -Sohrab Habibion on the new SAVAK album!
    -Josh Newton on Glazed Baby and mysterious Bandcamp apperances!
    -Dale Crover on bootleg shoes and Siri!
    -Tom Hazelmeyer on carrot cake!
    -Rick Valentin on album sequencing and punk rock professorin’!
    -Andrew Falkous on parenthood and moving to London as a grownup!
    -NOT Steve Albini!

    And, believe it or not, EVEN MORE! (Although not more guests, tho, that’s all the guests.) Two and a half hours of entertainment and artistic motivation awaits you, friend!

    Porch – Dickhead
    Whores – I see you are also wearing a black t-shirt
    Savak – Alive in Shadows
    Shiner – The Egg
    Sie lieben maschinen – meat is meat, love is murder
    Dale Crover – Bad Move
    Future of the Left – Eating for None
    Poster Children – Blatant Dis
    Shellac – Steady As She Goes
    Shellac Crow
    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep099: Rick Sims (Didjits, Gaza Strippers)

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    Yes, yes! It’s true, Conan and Josh talk to the one and only Rick Sims of the mighty Didjits. It’s in the second hour, so strap in for some first rate entertainment or music or get that fast forward button ready.
    -Just Fred (the record and the dude)
    -The Cassette Revival
    -The Killer + Tony Clifton
    -Time Bomb Tom
    -Touch & Go 25
    -Didjits Reunion(s)
    -Solos and quick hooks.
    -The Gaza Strippers as a 4 course meal
    -Writing Songs for the Supersuckers Record
    -The Lee Harvey Oswald Band are assholes.
    -Rey Wesham
    -The Offspring
    -Sound Design for Theatre
    Songs played:

    Fred Schneider – Whip
    Didjits – (Mama Had A) Skull Baby
    Didjits – Max Wedge
    Piper – Who’s Your Boyfriend
    Mr. Bungle – The Stroke
    Lee Harvey Oswald Band – Surrender Earthlings
    Didjits – Under the Christmas Fish

    Didjits – Plate in My Head
    Supersuckers – Born with a Tail
    Fred Schneider – Bulldozer

    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep098: Eugene Robinson (Oxbow, Whipping Boy, Sal Mineo)

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    What if Yella from NWA sang the hit of Yellow the band (of “Oh YEAAAAAAH!” fame), that and a few other things before Conan and Josh dive right into the remarkable Eugene Robinson and his many bands, projects, sojourns and creative exploits. Eugene conducts himself with alacrity and poise and a good time is had by all!

    -The origins of Sal Mineo (The band)
    -Making art worth a good God damn
    -spending 12 hours in France and playing a show
    -not playing where you oughtn’t
    -Advocating the encyclopedia of the voice.
    -Singing what your soul calls out
    -Old HC fellas that don’t really “get” Oxbow.
    -Charating a musical course with no reference points
    -Shit talkers being good people to have around / speaking honestly
    -Getting hit on by one’s idols.
    -the equivalent of automatic writing.
    -martial arts.
    -“Hey Frenchy, put the chainsaw down”
    – Compartmentalizing “Fight”
    -Writers vs. People who can write.
    -To Arms, two legs and the magic of subtlety.
    -Whatever happened to Dukowski
    -Cross-Cultural experience vs cross-class experience.
    -Where the stories come from

    Songs played:

    Oxbow – Clean Well-Lit Place
    Xiu Xiu – Sharp Dressed Man
    Sal Mineo – the Primary Bell

    Black Face – I Want to Kill You
    Oxbow – The Finished Line

    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep097: Mike Blaha (The Blind Shake, BLAHA, Shadow in the Cracks)

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    On this episode, Conan and Josh have a chat with Mike Blaha of the Blind Shake and countless variations thereupon! Topics include, but are not limited to:

    -collaborations and being open
    -subbing in bands mid-tour
    -Blind Shake vs. solo writing
    -air-drumming auditions
    -the Blaha health regimen
    -surfin’ with John Reis
    -working through new songs on the road
    -“Play ‘Hurrican!'”
    -acoustic vs. electric
    -“I watch Netflix as much as the next guy”
    -expressing more emotion
    -attempting to book a show before this podcast ends
    -living in small boxes
    -joining Castle Face Records without changing the band’s sound
    -the equal desire for safety and adventure
    -keeping ears open to young bands
    -the conceptual Blind Shake

    Then Mike had to go load out for his solo show, so we ended up talking not exactly about Twin Peaks (although there are a few spoilers if you haven’t watched through episode 8 yet) but more about fandom and experiencing it real-time.…

  • Ep096: J. Robbins (Jawbox, Burning Airlines, Channels)

    J. Robbins

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    Conan and Josh kick off the show with a brief discussion of big shows from the past weekend, then have a great chat with J. Robbins! Topics include:

    The songwriting process:

    -Bendy guitar loop overdubs
    -Reviving/rewriting old songs and playing acoustic shows
    -Shading confessional songwriting
    -The integrity of a band and its members vs. being the sole songwriter
    -Going out on a musical limb
    -Collaborative projects
    -Using the studio as a compositional tool

    Stories of various recording projects:

    -The great moment when a recording project sounds like a record
    -the Dismemberment Plan
    -What a producer’s role is and/or what it should be
    -the Monorchid
    -Hand-editing 2-inch tape

    The grand story of his brief time playing with Scream:

    -“J., EVERYBODY knows ‘Ballroom Blitz.'”

    Jawbox’s influence, and how influence works in general:

    -Creating your own culture

    We almost entirely avoided discussing politics!

    Music played:

    Jawbox – FF=66
    J. Robbins – Our Own Devices
    Jawbox – Won’t Come Off

    Shellac – End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep095: Brian Pennington (Lardo, Megamaul, Radiant Republic)

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    on striking a chord with Lardo beyond friend rock, the intergal usage of the Bit Commander pedal to the Lardo “sound”, playing with the murderer’s row of bands at All Tomorrow’s Impeachments, why Lardo is really 70s dumb riff rock (seriously?!), motivation and inspiration, what record labels mean in 2017 and so much more.

    Interview starts at 16:00 or so.

    Music played:
    Arcwelder – What Did You Call It That For?
    Lardo – Nothing
    Lardo – Watch Him (Watch Her)
    Lardo – Swimmer…

  • Ep094: Duane Denison (Jesus Lizard, Tomahawk, DK3)

    Duane Denison - Jesus Lizard, Tomahawk, DK3

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    (stream and download – Episode 94)

    What is there to say? Duane Denison is a living legend. We talk DK3, Jesus Lizard, Robert Fripp, technique and process, innovation and inspiration. Did we mention living legend?

    Interview starts at 8:30

    Music played:
    DK3 – Traveling Salesman

    Jesus Lizard – Bloody Mary
    Jesus Lizard – Then Comes Dudley

    Shellac – End of Radio (Closing Theme)…

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